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I’m a 60-year-old Aspergic gardening CAD-Monkey. Sardonic, cynical and with the political leanings of a social reformer, I’m also a toy and model figure collector, particularly interested in the history of plastics and plastic toys. Other interests are history, current affairs, modern art, and architecture, gardening and natural history. I love plain chocolate, fireworks and trees, but I don’t hug them, I do hug kittens. I hate ignorance, when it can be avoided, so I hate the 'educational' establishment and pity the millions they’ve failed with teaching-to-test and rote 'learning' and I hate the short-sighted stupidity of the entire ruling/industrial elite, with their planet destroying fascism and added “buy-one-get-one-free”. Likewise, I also have no time for fools and little time for the false crap we're all supposed to pretend we haven't noticed, or the games we're supposed to play. I will 'bite the hand that feeds', to remind it why it feeds.
Showing posts with label Lido. Show all posts
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Sunday, 2 March 2025

Hong Kong Hollow Horses - Longmane

Having seen them briefly in a previous post, let's look at one of the - probably - post 'Smoothie' horses, the one I call 'Longmane', simply because, as with all the others, the most obvious difference from other horses tends to be how they got their name, and no, you don't have to use the same names, call them what you want, this blog is about identifying them, and the differences between them, so we can stop calling the 99% which aren't Giant, "Giant"!
 
A nice sample of the horses and the colours they can be found in, I have a reasonable sized sample of these, from many sources, so this while not necessarily definitive, is a good primer. Colours are reasonably realistic horse colours, with a pinkish tinge to some, which might better be found on some deer!
 
Riders are non-Giant, with the exceptions of the rifle-shooting cowboy, and the fourth Indian down with tomahawk and shield, so when sorting you need to be careful, but their leg-studs are completely different to Giant's, and usually with a bigger bag of mixed stuff, the colours of the figures will help differentiate.
 
And, no, I don't know why the first few rows are the same poses, then the order breaks-down, lower down, but there would have been some reason when I originally did it? They are taken from Britains Soppets and so far all six cowboy sculpts and five of the Indians have turned-up, with the colour range growing slowly with the pink and semi-transparent dark jade-green examples.
 
This sample was very brittle and adding nothing to the knowledge, by way of poses or plastic colours, went in the recycling bin with the milk-bottles! Note, the red cowboy on the far right, a blobby, flashy one who could easily be mistaken for another maker's figure in a mixed lot, but this was a clean, if brittle batch! 
 
Also, while the horses are quite good, quality-control wise, the figure samples are all poorly moulded with lots of short-shots or miss moulds, most weapons tend to be missing or partial, especially with the Native Americans.
 
The horse, from my original handwritten notes of 25-years ago, when I started to cover these in One Inch Warrior magazine - similar to Giant's 'Smoothie', particularly the saddle and rump, but with a deep striated mane and very bushy tail, it has large hooves and is of high production quality, marked Hong Kong in quite large, slightly uneven letters.
 
That marking, the two words are quite close together, but there is a discernable breath or punctuation gap, unlike some Hong Kong marks where the two become a continuous word!

Having said the horse are of better quality than the figures, I do have some poor horses as well, and it's short-shotting which is the problem. But the horse has been re-cut by the maker, and tends to a good quality with sharp detail, while the figures are sub-piracies of earlier production from other sources, and it shows!
 
The pelt! I haven't yet found a full bag, or obvious set for these, beyond the four in the HG Toys wagon set, but the numbers they're found in, suggests they did have a rack-toy issue of the more common type - lots of mounted figures in a bag!?
 
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But is it Giant
 
Definitely not, but they have been associated with the HG Toys wagon sets, so could have been in a Lido set at some point?

'Lido' wagons, by Herett Gilmar Toys

Like an idiot, while I took lots of images of the wagons, including some distance shots of multiples in their blister, I forgot to shoot the whole card, which is now in storage, where it has been since 2021, it literally came-in, got shot on the bedspread, and went off with all the carded Hong Kong small-scale.
 
Because it needs re-shooting properly, I'll just shove the images up here with the odd caption, and we'll look at it again another day! It seems to have been called 'Wild West' and was marked with the carousel HG [over] Toys logo in the left corner, H-G Toys in the right corner and a full-title consumer panel in the middle, all along the bottom edge of the blister card, which was heat-welded, not stapled.
 
Hard-bodied shop-wagon, or jail?
 
Two-wheeled buggy / cart, or horse-carriage.
 
Stagecoach.
 


Covered Wagon.
 
Similar to the early Giant 'stepped' wagons, but actually a heavier sculpt added to the bog-standard Crescent-copy wagon of most Hong Kong small scale output. What sets these apart from most other Hong Kong wagons, including Giant, is the diminutive drivers, with their Airfix or Moorstone-style sculpting (both probably the work of Nibblet, originally), and the slightly more diligent attempt at the draw-bars / horse-furniture.
 


Buckboard / Open wagon
 

The horse is 'Lido' in my horse ID listing, it's also Moorstone-esque.
 


However, a set of four horses which I call 'Longmane' are included, with four riders, all non-Giant sculpts of Indians, all taken from Britains. A quite distinctive Hong Kong horse with a wide (deep?) sculpted mane of long parallel striations, with a small dip where the headstall strap / crown piece (? Googling wildly!) goes through it. Probably using the old Giant 'Smoothie' as a base, it's easy to tell them apart.


Taken from an old evilBay sale, back in 2012, these have painted manes, so could be Lido or another branding, there's a painted-mane one on Kent Sprecher's Lido page, but it's a loose one, while his carded set is such a small thumbnail you can't tell if they are painted or not, but if both HG and Lido carried them, I dare say someone else did too!

The 'Lido' horse is unmarked, the 'Longmane's are marked Hong Kong, along the flat top of the body cavity, in quite crude, but readable lettering, reading from head to tail, the wagon mark is self-explanatory in the above shot! And I'll try to get the 'Longmane' article up next.
 
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But is it Giant
 
Nope! In fact, I suspect most of the time, it's not even Lido!